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• Robb Said:
  November 14th, 2009 at 5:59 pm

  Thank you. It was a beautiful day at Wallace Wade. The crowd was in full effect before it got out of hand. Tough loss. Ga Tech has beat up on all of the Triangle teams this year. Maybe next year. Hopefully if NC State can beat the heels and we beat Wake, Duke will own the State Championship this year. Again, thank you for giving us a little pub.

• MikeB Said:
  November 14th, 2009 at 11:17 pm

  Sorta looks like Carolina football fans at the State game last fall:
  http://i415.photobucket.com/albums/pp239/ncstate4jpc/devotion.jpg

• Dana Said:
  November 15th, 2009 at 12:12 am

  That picture was taken during the Spring Scrimmage Game. Why else would UNC players be on the North sidelines (at Sec. 105-107) and would people be wearing foul weather gear? You probably recall that the State game last year was a VERY cold, sunny day, but this picture has overcast lighting. Also, at the State game, there were plenty of people in red dotting the stands until the game’s end. They aren’t there in this picture.

• Unique1 Said:
  November 15th, 2009 at 1:33 am

  So true Dana. That picture is not from the State game.

• Jay Said:
  November 15th, 2009 at 1:46 am

  MikeB. Clearly a clueless wuuuffie homer. Nice try though. Keep drinking the kool-aid…

• Loller Said:
  November 15th, 2009 at 4:25 am

  You can tell it is an old picture. The team still wore powder blue before the Chief came in and changed the unis to a men’s color.

• Fraiser Lyon Said:
  November 15th, 2009 at 12:28 pm

  Robb, I like the high road approach you are taking, but I think this was a lame attempt at poking fun at the crowd Duke draws to their games. My guess is that if Duke was a large state school with open admissions standards we could fill the stadium with alums too. The irony is that the picture just reinforces the famed Carolina class that most of have to put up with living in this area.

• GPBurdell Said:
  November 15th, 2009 at 8:35 pm

  It was definitely a great day to take my son and watch the Jackets clinch the Coastal Division title and a trip to Tampa!

• Dana Said:
  November 15th, 2009 at 11:43 pm

  Fraiser, are you postulating that there really aren’t that many Duke alumni or fans in the area?
  What do you mean by “open admission standards”? Only 34% of applicants to UNC get in. That doesn’t sound very open to me. (ECU accepts 84% of applicants, NCSU accepts 59%, and Wake Forest accepts 43%)
  Not only does that second sentence contain a grammar error, it lacks logic. Why was Duke able to fill the stadium with normal ACC percentages in the mid-90s? Was there some sort of local alumni population swell? Was Duke once a state-supported school that suddenly turned private? How has Wake Forest been able to fill their stadium during the past 20 years? They produce just as many graduates as Duke does.
  Also, can you explain your use of the word “irony” in that last sentence? It seems out of place.

• David Said:
  November 16th, 2009 at 1:04 pm

  Thankfully, I know what Duke football is, and isn’t. Whether UNC is traditionally more of a football powerhouse than Duke or not, to most teams and all the other conferences, UNC is also a joke. So keep tooting your own horn to one of the only teams worse than you and I’m sure Mack Brown will be jumping to sign back up.

• Dana Said:
  November 16th, 2009 at 3:05 pm

  What are you talking about, David? My comments are all in response to complaining that Duke football isn’t included in the list of cool things for _Raleigh_ people to do in the coming week. If you truly have read my posts that pertain to UNC football, you’ll know exactly what I think of it.

  Read what is written, not what you are imagining in between the lines.

• Fraiser Said:
  November 16th, 2009 at 5:27 pm

  1. Fraiser, are you postulating that there really aren’t that many Duke alumni or fans in the area? Yes, that’s just a fact. There are more UNC alums in Durham County than there are Duke alums in the State of North Carolina. Just how it goes when one school is big and mostly made up of in state students and one is small and has a large number of students from Tx, NY, NJ, Ca, etc.

  2. What do you mean by “open admission standards”? Only 34% of applicants to UNC get in. That doesn’t sound very open to me. (ECU accepts 84% of applicants, NCSU accepts 59%, and Wake Forest accepts 43%) – clearly UNC accepts many more studens than Duke. My comment was a result of a lot factors. includng state school v. private school. But on a whole if UNC used Duke’s admission criteria there would be fewer UNC grads. That doesn’t mean that UNC is not selective but it does have a much more open admission’s policy than Duke. This includes not only academic standards but the raw number of people that it can accept in any given year.

  3. Why was Duke able to fill the stadium with normal ACC percentages in the mid-90s? I went to Duke in the mid-90s I assure that we did not fill our stadium with normal ACC percentages in the mid-90s. In fact, our average attendance last season was higher than its been in many many years (barring maybe 1994 when Duke was ranked in the Top 25) and will likely be higher this year.

  4. Was there some sort of local alumni population swell? No, see No. 3 above.

  5. Was Duke once a state-supported school that suddenly turned private? No, see No. 3 above.

  6. How has Wake Forest been able to fill their stadium during the past 20 years? They produce just as many graduates as Duke does? In fact Wake produces less graduates than Duke, but I would guess that a review of where those graduates live would show that more Wake graduates live in NC than Duke graduates. That would likely depend on whether you count graduate students or not, but Wake has more students that stay in NC than Duke students upon graduation. However as the Triangle and Charlotte become more attractive places to live that is in fact changing. I should point out that you have provided no evidence that Wake has filled their stadium for the past 20 years and I do not believe that’s the case. Take last year for instance, Wake averaged 31,166 per game in a year that it went to a bowl game. Duke averaged 28,689. The stadiums are roughly the same size, with Duke’s stadium allowing for about 1500-2000 more per game. Now if you will check the Wake Forest media guide you will see that 4 of the last 5 years Wake has increased attendance and set attendance records. I could not find stats going back to the mid-90s but as someone that attended many Wake games in the mid 90s, I can tell you in my experience that Wake’s stadium was not full. However LOGIC would show that if they are breaking records, have seen increased attendance in 4 of the last five years and are now just full, then it seems that Wake’s stadium was not full 20 years ago or else the past four years would not have been record breakers.

  7. can you explain your use of the word “irony” in that last sentence? It seems out of place. Irony (from the Ancient Greek εἰρωνεία eirōneía, meaning hypocrisy, deception, or feigned ignorance) is a situation, literary or rhetorical device, in which there is an incongruity, discordance or unintended connection that goes beyond the most evident meaning. I guess in one way you are correct, it should not be unexpected that a UNC fan and/or grad would respond to a request that Duke’s events be included in the run down of what’s going in the Triangle, with some sort of classless act, like making fun of the stadium and fan attendance (and doing so by posting a picture from late in the 4th quarter of a blowout). However, I try not to assume that all UNC fans are classless and sense you had posted before a complaint concernig “Duke students” who acted classlessly in your section at Kenan Stadium., I figured I should give you the benefit of the doubt. So you would expect that someone who argues against acting like a jerk would not be a jerk. Based on the definition above, the irony is thus your posting of a picture in a manner intended to ridicule in a generally classless and unwarranted way, in contradiction of your former post about acting classy.

• Dana Said:
  November 16th, 2009 at 7:00 pm

  Section 1 of your response underscores my point. Thank you for your help!

  Four guys who sit at a Duke game, all wearing sweatshirts with “DUKE” emblazoned across the chest, talking about their dorm and their classes, are likely Duke students. This is not a hard concept to grasp. (unless, of course, these happened to be non-Duke students who donned Northern accents, Duke gear, and went to the game with the express intent to embarrass Duke University by acting as if they were arrogant and had nothing but contempt for humanity.)

  The picture was taken at the beginning of the 4th quarter.

• Fraiser Said:
  November 16th, 2009 at 7:38 pm

  What is your point that was underscored by my response? I thought my original point was that you should include Duke events when you talk about what’s going on in the Triangle. If anything a picture that shows a stadium that was not full underscores my point that more people need to know that there is a fun, family friendly place to go on Saturdays to watch ACC football and it won’t cost you an arm and a leg. There are a lot of people in the Triangle who didn’t go to any of the schools in the area and are new to college sports being a big event (as opposed to Pro as is more common up North). Those people don’t align with either school and they might think it fun to take their kids to a very beautiful place to watch some football. I’m not sure why that’s so controversial.

• Chris Said:
  November 16th, 2009 at 11:02 pm

  this discussion is a snore. a “free” lego mini-build with three blocks would be more exciting. move it along.

• Matt K. Said:
  November 22nd, 2009 at 7:37 pm

  I’m amused at the fact that rival fans continue to hammer on Carolina football, even during a year in which the Heels may end up being the only bowl eligible school amongst the three local ACC programs. The same people that talk trash about how bad Carolina football is are the same people who somehow think Butch Davis is doing a good enough job to leave UNC behind and take a higher profile job elsewhere. Really?

  For the record, even though Dook – er, Duke, I mean – is UNC’s rival, I admire what David Cutcliffe has done there since his arrival. If he doesn’t mind being overshadowed by the diva running the basketball program there, he may eventually be able to get them to post a winning season and start filling those seats again.

• Dana Said:
  November 22nd, 2009 at 10:32 pm

  I agree with you, Matt. Cutcliffe has done an outstanding job so far. If I were the A.D. at Notre Dame, FSU, or some other school that is on the skids, I’d be interviewing Cutcliffe first.

• MikeB Said:
  November 24th, 2009 at 3:32 am

  Sorry, had a little trouble finding the image when I initially posted and grabbed the wrong one out of a cache. Does this pic make Heel “fans” feel any better?

  http://www.statefansnation.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/adandoned.jpg

• Dana Said:
  November 24th, 2009 at 11:21 pm

  Oh, and by did we ever get whipped! Strange thing is that UNC almost got a run-back INT late in the 2Q that would have given them the lead. Instead, they came out at halftime and played worse than even the Torbush era, and worse than the basketball team played against Syracuse in the second half this week. Sexton was absolutely terrible, and TJ Yates was even worse!

  I will say that the photo was taken extremely late, because I am not even in my seat. I sat there very deep into the game, and it was probably the coldest I’ve ever been at a game – and that was sitting in the sun! Good for the State fans for staying. They look packed in and warm!

  This was a quite different scenario than my early 4Q photo of the 72-degree Duke/GT game, I hope you understand.

  Hopefully the Heels can come out and play a good game for 60 minutes, and hopefully the offense can get some yards, because they owe the defense several big steak dinners by the current tally.

  Regardless of the outcome, my thoughts and prayers are with the Bible and Hahn families.

• MikeB Said:
  November 25th, 2009 at 12:05 am

  With about 3 minutes to go, most of the UNC fans that were going to leave were gone, and it was understandable… Nothing is quite as tenaciously irritating as a Wolfpack fan with a reason to grin.

  Its not really fair to Duke though, I mean UNC is the single largest marketing entity in college sports and are so committed to football that they feel the need to expand the stadium even though we all know attendance is always spotty at Keenan. Mocking Duke for poor fan support in football is like knocking Miami for poor support in ACC basketball. UNC’s support of football really isn’t that much better than Duke’s when you consider the base of fans each has to work with.

  I can’t wait until Saturday when we ruin UNC’s fresh AP ranking, just like we did last year. Of course I’m far more likely to be calling Monday to have my next dentist appointment delayed until you’ve long forgotten about my excessive foot-in-mouth trash talking… yeah, see you in June!

• John Said:
  November 29th, 2009 at 10:32 pm

  Since this is the only logical place on this site to post this…28-27!!!

• Dana Said:
  November 29th, 2009 at 11:14 pm

  Congratulations to the Wolfpack! They certainly deserved the win on Saturday.

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